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 Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: Mandriva creator fired? Now what? |
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| Quote: | What's next for Mandriva?
The future of Mandriva is exciting because we never had as many opportunities as we currently have! The company is developing its business with big industry partners, extending its presence in the corporate world. And this gives us means to improve the product, and extend its functionalities. On the other hand, we definitely want to extend our involvement in the Linux community, and this is now my new mission at Mandriva.
Gaël, October 19th 2005 |
With Gaël gone what will change? |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Mandriva creator fired? Now what? |
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| Gaël wrote: | we definitely want to extend our involvement in the Linux community, and this is now my new mission at Mandriva.
Gaël, October 19th 2005 |
So with Gael gone. we can conclude that this mission has been abandoned as unnecessary. What next? Probably further commercialization. Shareholders usually don't need and don't care about community and other non-profit things.
In LinuxQuestions poll for most popular distro 2005 Mandrake came only on 7-th place. No wonder, if we remember "quality" of latest releases... But instead of new developments and improving quality they let Gael go. I feel that it's time for me as longtime Mandriva user to go as well, to another distribution that is. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I think this is the thread that one of the Mandriva leaders (possibly Mr. Bancilhon) should comment. Adam would you please tell him\them about it? |
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Yes, I can try. I'm trying to find out what will be happening with the Community department, too. It's worth noting that people have been comparing this with Apple / Steve Jobs, but it's really not quite the same - Gael wasn't in any way running the company and hasn't been for quite a while (I think since the initial ill-fated experiment with bringing in external management which eventually led to our previous financial problems, he's been working more around the edges of the company than in the middle at the top, as before).
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: |
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tom, civilme, deno, gael ... What has happened to Mandriva community?
Will Mandriva Linux still be here tomorrow?
Does commitment to the community still stand?
| awilliamson wrote: | | It's worth noting that people have been comparing this with Apple / Steve Jobs, but it's really not quite the same - Gael wasn't in any way running the company and hasn't been for quite a while. |
He was the face of Mandriva:
The fact is that things will change with him gone. After all why would he be fired if that would not be the case? So what will change? |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | dexter11
PostPosted: 13 Mar 2006 23:34 Post subject:
I think this is the thread that one of the Mandriva leaders (possibly Mr. Bancilhon) should comment. Adam would you please tell him\them about it? |
| Quote: | awilliamson
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Yes, I can try. |
stop smoking opium, please . |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:15 am Post subject: |
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I notice that in this link Le comeback king, Gael Duval said that :
| Quote: | LXF: Do you think you'll work on Mandriva forever? Do you enjoy it?
GD: Yes, of course. I started the Mandrake project alone, and then it became a company, and I started with development, and then obviously I worked on the website and so on, and now I'm in charge of communications, and I think I am going to change to something else, so... who can say? |
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Ah, so my opinion that Gael was sent away from the decision making centre last year was not so wrong. And also my opinion that the true direction of the company was part of the decision who gets fired - it wasn't wrong neither.
True, I was in a very bad mood when I wrote about the business report and its consequences. But now my mood is getting lighter because there's a chance that some true things will be said in the open which were before only said in private discussions because of company loyalty.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Mandriva creator fired? Now what? |
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| pirnaver wrote: | | With Gaël gone what will change? |
At least we know the background of the person who will officially take over Gael's projects for the community:
Estelle Estrabeau, Event Manager at Mandriva.
OK, apart from the dark mood I'm still in, I say:
Give that girl a chance, nobody knows yet, what she is determined and able to do. And what she will be allowed to do. And how much time her other duties as event manager will allow her to spend on community related projects.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: Re: Mandriva creator fired? Now what? |
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| wobo wrote: |
Give that girl a chance, nobody knows yet, what she is determined and able to do. And what she will be allowed to do. And how much time her other duties as event manager will allow her to spend on community related projects.
wobo |
I must also lend my support here. I stand by what I have said in another thread regarding results. I believe more than ever that now is the time to support mandriva and not let them forget the community and its support and just chase the corporate market.
I shall still be paying my monthly subscription for a while yet
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I doubt anyone from management will be giving official comments now legal threats are flying, so I wouldn't hold out any hope for statement here now, sorry. What F.B. said in the newsforge story should be taken as his position, I guess.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:47 am Post subject: Not sure about things in france but.. |
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IANA(L|S)
but i think that at this point (assuming that my jobs "instructions" are common) that anybody that does not want to follow Gael in the "pursuing other intrests" group is YOU DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TALK ABOUT A CURRENT CASE.
This is to the point that if you even breath Lawyer You have to be sent out of the shop and any further action will be
A assuming the case has been dropped
B Be with the aproval of the RiverSide campus Sharks
(psst PJ any hints as to french laws?) |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:10 am Post subject: This is the sort of thing that really turns a person off. |
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I can't say that I have been thrilled with Mandriva since the 2005 LE release. I have been using it for development at work at my job as a software developer. I will be canceling my club membership and moving on now. I really can't see supporting a company that doesn't see the value in keeping around the founder. I think this may have been one of the stupidest P.R. moves ever. Really, I have no idea what it was like to work for Mandriva, maybe the management had it's reasons. I don't care. Mandriva won't be getting any more of my hard earned cash.
Thanks everyone! It's been swell.
See ya!
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Cinical reality check:
Nobody is indispensible - the graveyards are full of indispensible people. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:14 am Post subject: No one is indispensible |
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What a wonderful insight! Will you have the same view when it is your job? At the company that you founded? I don't have a problem with the concept of layoffs in general. I just wonder what it says about a company that they feel that the person who created every job in the company is expendable. People are the only thing that matter. Is that one salary really going to make or break the company? Stupid, callous, decision. I'm tired of hearing all of the rationalizations. Maybe they had a sound business reason, but there is more to life than business. Personally, I won't support a business that behaves in that manner.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| There are always 2 sides to these things. The bottom line is - life goes on - Mandriva will go on - Gael will go on. |
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| Quote: | | There are always 2 sides to these things. The bottom line is - life goes on - Mandriva will go on |
As I feel today,...they go on without my contribution.
| Quote: | Cinical reality check:
Nobody is indispensible |
So, why was FB not fired instead of Gael.
What are his so wonderful contributions to Mandriva apart from not talking with us ?
I am not trying to start a flame, but I feel this was a low blow. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| awilliamson wrote: | | I doubt anyone from management will be giving official comments now legal threats are flying, so I wouldn't hold out any hope for statement here now, sorry. |
Even if management wants to avoid commenting on current events it could still explain where the company is going. Now all we have are Gael's words: "It seems that the company is going to address the corporate market more and more.... My opinion is that we should have stuck to the roots (individuals and SOHO)."
I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one who wants to know if Mandriva is going keep it's promises? If management doesn't want to provide answers that is fine also, just Adam please tell us so.
| awilliamson wrote: | | What F.B. said in the newsforge story should be taken as his position, I guess. |
Position is difficult to understand: "You're fired. I'm very sorry to see you leave." |
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The pin head speaks. From the Newsforge article, a quote from FB.
...."Gael has brought a lot to this company and has been all along a very strong contributor. ...... I am very sorry to see him leave"
"has brought alot" = He started the company!!!
"I am very sorry to see him leave" = Now get the hell out!!
It very interesting to see a Company with such potential implode. FB is a real Mr. Wizard....... "I know, let's fire the founder" That's like Microsoft saying "Let's fire Bill" GEEEEEZZZZZ!!!! It's pretty incredible. I guess I won't be supporting this debacle any more. This is great news for the other distro's...... Suse has 10.1 coming, Ubuntu/kubuntu 6.0 is on the way and Fedora 5 is on the horizon. I used to try to remain hopefull that Mandriva would come back to the community and come back to their roots. After all, we saved the company once!!! I don't see it happening again.....(shakes head) Its a shame..... But things move on. I fear that many will be moving on to other distro's. You just don't fire the founder...... many supporters have gone through the company struggles and stayed because of a certain loyalty to Gael. He IS Mandriva and with out him around..... why bother.... he was the number one "cheerleader" for the Distro........ It's just kind of sad.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| snackboy wrote: |
So, why was FB not fired instead of Gael.
What are his so wonderful contributions to Mandriva apart from not talking with us ?
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As I see he's a businessman and not a developer and as such he managed to lead Mandrake out of bankruptcy and make it much bigger. Now he wants to focus on the corporate side because that's where the money is. And I fully agree with it. Seems like this is the way a Linux contributor has to do if it wants to grow, at least this is what Novell and RedHat did.
What I don't agree with is that in the same time he's turning away from Mandriva\ake's roots and leave the community behind. Or will there be a community based Mandriva version? This is what Novell and RedHat did. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| dexter11 wrote: | | As I see he's a businessman and not a developer and as such he managed to lead Mandrake out of bankruptcy and make it much bigger. |
Mandriva got out of bankruptcy mainly because we, club members, paid our money to save Mandrake. Now this "businessman" has occupied both leading positions in Mandriva and feels strong enough to fire Gael (who created all jobs at Mandrake because he created Mandrake in the first place) and forget about home/SOHO users. I feel that there is strong moral obligation for me to not support such behaviour in any way and therefore move to another distribution. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: |
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hbush> if every one changes distro like you . Other employees at mandriva will lose their job.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Christophe_deR> if every one changes distro like you .
Other employees at mandriva will lose their job.
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Well, if a lot of people changes distro, because of management desicions,
the loss of jobs will be caused by the management,
not by people who feel cheated.
But I agree with with wobo - "let's give that girl a chance" 
It will be very interesting to see what Estelle Estrabeau
can - and will be allowed to - do.
I really hope that will be something good, since I've been using Mandrake
(I still think of it as Mandrake) since ver 7. It would feel strange to change :?
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